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We're counting waaaay past "10..." (2.00 / 2)

If you think compromise on FISA was tough...you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

Look what's happening with Obama and Irag now....

Anyhow, having been around the block on this type of thing for a few decades, this type of thing doesn't upset me, although I know it bums others.

I'm still supporting him, and I'm sure he'll continue to move more towards the center, the closer we get to election day, too!

That doesn't mean I can't hold my nose when I vote for the guy come, however. No candidate's perfect...far, far from it....that's for damn sure.

"Change you can believe in?" Maybe. Eventually. But, not immediately. In the meantime, I'll send him money and encourage all of my friends to vote for him. But, then again, my own personal "bar" is pretty low, compared to others, when it comes to this sort of thing.


by bobswern on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 11:58:32 PM EST
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If anyone cares to go back and look at Obama's prior statements on Iraq and what he said, you will understand that Obama has not changed his stance on Iraq:

During a March 2 Washington Post foreign policy "Q&A," when asked what size his proposed "over-the-horizon" force in Iraq would be, Obama responded: "The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation."

During the September 12, 2007, broadcast of National Public Radio's All Things Considered, Obama said: "If commanders came to me and said, 'We are making progress in reducing violence,' and I see continuing political progress taking place, then obviously that's going to be weighed against the need to, I believe, have some additional troops in Afghanistan." From the interview:

MICHELE NORRIS (host): So, in trying to determine what the U.S. footprint in Iraq would look like -- say you're in office, and your commanders, your military commanders, are telling you that progress is being made. If they're saying, "We can win this," are you still going to draw down forces? As a commander in chief, who does not have personal military experience, are you willing to look someone like David Petraeus in the eye and say, "You're wrong. We're going to do it my way"?

OBAMA: If commanders came to me and said, "We are making progress in reducing violence," and I see continuing political progress taking place, then obviously that's going to be weighed against the need to, I believe, have some additional troops in Afghanistan. That's going to be weighed against our homeland security needs in the United States. I think that the overarching question is: What is going to be needed to make the United States more secure, meet our strategic interests around the world, and make sure that we are meeting the obligations that we have towards the Iraqi people?

But that is all part of a decision that the president makes in consultation with his generals, but not in deference to them. And I think one of the unfortunate aspects of the last several days and General Petraeus' testimony is the illusion that, somehow, General Petraeus has been setting policy and the president has simply been accepting those recommendations. That is not what has been taking place. The president has been laying out a mission of continuing this failed course in Iraq and General Petraeus and Ambassador [Ryan] Crocker have been trying to carry out that mission as best they could.

And quoted from the Caucus Blog yesterday:

"I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed," he said. "And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies."

Media Matters


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 08:29:13 AM EST
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