We don't have a nominee until the convention, and all the delegate and superdelegate votes are counted.

Yep - and said "I hope he wins big."

No candidate will please you all the time. You still got two viable choices in this election and one is MCain.

I never read kos anymore, after the horrible things he wrote about Hillary, I won't bother to give him the creds with another click to his little orange playground.

If I were Jewish, I'd bury his vest in the backyard.

If that amendment somehow passes, Obama can breathe a deep sigh of relief.  I think there's chance he can get Collins and Coleman to cross-over if he promises to cut a commercial with them (of course, he'd then be throwing Franken under the bus but Franken has already proven himself to be worthless).  Isn't Specter going to vote with us on the amendment?

I wish I had your confidence about that, but I don't.

Key Democrats in the House and Senate wanted this telcom immunity so badly that they didn't care how badly it pissed off the rest of us.  So they bided their time, trying to push the bill whenever they thought the hubbub had died down enough to let them try to sneak it through very quickly.  Eventually they will succeed.

This wouldn't happen if there weren't some powerful pressures inside the Democratic leadership behind the push for this immunity.  It's clearly not based on principles.  I doubt it's just telcom money either.  I don't know what it is.  But hopefully, someday we will know.

I just don't count on Obama to buck the Senate and House Democratic leadership on this telcom immunity thing.  I'm disappointed.

It's not so much that I want to see the telcoms prosecuted or sued.  I just want to find out the whole truth about what these dicks have been doing the past seven years.  The Dem majority has shown a surprising reluctance to use their subpoenas to find out that truth, and that seems to be part and parcel of the same problem.  Our best chance for discovering the truth was through civil lawsuits.  Take that off the table, and we may have to wait a long time before we find out everything they did.

But we will find out eventually.  There will be a Church Commission equivalent some time in the future.  I just don't count on the Party to do its job right now.

FOR ALL THAT -- let me add, Telcom immunity is not as big a deal as the war or state-sponsored torture.  Those are the two big issues that I need addressed.  If Obama reverses course on those, then there will be real hell to pay.  Compared ot that, though, this is the kind of real world ugly politics that you have to endure.  If we want to stop this, we will have to exercise pressure where we can, and at this point, it's probably best to exercise it by pummeling the Dem leadership and Congresspeople who voted for telcom immunity.

Believe me, I would have an embolism if that happened.  I've been watching the coverage about that, today (and some, yesterday), but it seems to be more Republican spin than anything else.  Obama didn't reverse himself on anything.  If he does, you'll know because you'll see me exploding.  I already drafted a John Doe Impeachment petition for the NEXT president (whoever he/she is) if they don't get us out of Iraq.

Don't be so hasty to believe such poorly crafted Republican spin.

Great Republican "Talking Points"

If anyone cares to go back and look at Obama's prior statements on Iraq and what he said, you will understand that Obama has not changed his stance on Iraq:

During a March 2 Washington Post foreign policy "Q&A," when asked what size his proposed "over-the-horizon" force in Iraq would be, Obama responded: "The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation."

During the September 12, 2007, broadcast of National Public Radio's All Things Considered, Obama said: "If commanders came to me and said, 'We are making progress in reducing violence,' and I see continuing political progress taking place, then obviously that's going to be weighed against the need to, I believe, have some additional troops in Afghanistan." From the interview:

MICHELE NORRIS (host): So, in trying to determine what the U.S. footprint in Iraq would look like -- say you're in office, and your commanders, your military commanders, are telling you that progress is being made. If they're saying, "We can win this," are you still going to draw down forces? As a commander in chief, who does not have personal military experience, are you willing to look someone like David Petraeus in the eye and say, "You're wrong. We're going to do it my way"?

OBAMA: If commanders came to me and said, "We are making progress in reducing violence," and I see continuing political progress taking place, then obviously that's going to be weighed against the need to, I believe, have some additional troops in Afghanistan. That's going to be weighed against our homeland security needs in the United States. I think that the overarching question is: What is going to be needed to make the United States more secure, meet our strategic interests around the world, and make sure that we are meeting the obligations that we have towards the Iraqi people?

But that is all part of a decision that the president makes in consultation with his generals, but not in deference to them. And I think one of the unfortunate aspects of the last several days and General Petraeus' testimony is the illusion that, somehow, General Petraeus has been setting policy and the president has simply been accepting those recommendations. That is not what has been taking place. The president has been laying out a mission of continuing this failed course in Iraq and General Petraeus and Ambassador [Ryan] Crocker have been trying to carry out that mission as best they could.

And quoted from the Caucus Blog yesterday:

"I've always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed," he said. "And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies."

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